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Author Topic: Structural changes in biz making tech employment unlikely?  (Read 52 times)

ilconsiglliere

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Structural changes in biz making tech employment unlikely?
« on: November 13, 2018, 06:02:55 am »

Are you saying to land gigs and than sub contract it out to others?

Correct, I always lament the fact that many IT people seem like lone wolves.

My skills werent always like this. I worked very hard on improving my communication skills after the first time I got laid off. I realized that I interviewed like crap and took steps to fix it. It was not easy. I bought a ton of books and practiced on people all the time.

How exactly did you infer that you were interviewing like crap?  Well to me atleast an interview is a conversation... which should not be too difficult normally.

There was a Verizon guy a few years ago that outsourced his job to India without telling them. He had multiple jobs running simultaneously. Eventually he got snagged and fired.

IT people in general have bad social skills. Those skills include both verbal, body language and social timing ie. they cant make small talk and talk about nothing. They are too analytical and precise which is the opposite of real interactions.

I had been at the same company for 15 years and had not interviewed in a long time. After a few interviews I realized the interviewing was not smooth and flowing. It felt very stilted, artificial and uncomfortable for everyone.

I realized that an interview is a sales presentation on yourself. So I took it upon myself to fix it. Read a bunch of books about sales, body language, verbal and physical cues, etc... I also watched people who I thought were good at it. And I actively worked on it every time I interacted with people. You also have to have the self confidence to pull it off.

Here is a basic thing that everyone can learn - every time you see someone make eye contact, smile and say hello. I have used it many times to disarm people. Hi my name is Joe Bob, whats your name. And I stick out my hand.

Steve Jobs was EXCELLENT in front of a crowd. He may have been a mean bastard but he could work the crowd like no ones business. Even if you started out hating him by the end you were a fan.

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Re: Structural changes in biz making tech employment unlikely?
« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2018, 05:49:21 pm »
interesting.
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Re: Structural changes in biz making tech employment unlikely?
« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2018, 10:01:23 am »
Wow, this thread is still running from the beginning of this year. Everyone has good idea. One thing that I am always frustrated about this topic is that why do American citizens have to compete with third-world workers in their own country? Our economic system is broken. The CEOs and upper management are sitting there like pigs taking in all the food and left us with crumbs! We are fighting for crumbs. Many years ago, a friend of my mom who has a son that works on Wall Street as an investment banker/trader collected 90K Xmas bonus. At that time I believe I were earning 80ish K on my job. Now I am unemployed but I refuse to participate in this job scheme by being a day-trader.

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Re: Structural changes in biz making tech employment unlikely?
« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2018, 06:02:18 pm »
I remember the recession of circa 2003 or so.. I went to these job inteviews in NoVA (DC area).. Man they looked like soup lines from the Great Depression. Long long lines.

I was out of work for 1  year. You could not find a gig for $60, $50 or $20. That's the impression I got.

there is no labor shortage. One job opening generates a huge stack of resumes.
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Re: Structural changes in biz making tech employment unlikely?
« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2018, 08:33:18 am »
It is a little bit better now in DC. DOD contracting is still good. It is harder to get a job as a gov employee. It is easier to get a job as a contractor with security clearance. I'm near DC on MD side.

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Re: Structural changes in biz making tech employment unlikely?
« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2018, 01:59:41 pm »
One thing that I am always frustrated about this topic is that why do American citizens have to compete with third-world workers in their own country? Our economic system is broken.
No, it's not the economic system that is broken. It is people who are fundamentally broken including the majority IT professionals ( though the average IT professional is a notch better than your average Joe)

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Re: Structural changes in biz making tech employment unlikely?
« Reply #6 on: November 23, 2018, 04:55:45 pm »
No, it's not the economic system that is broken. It is people who are fundamentally broken including the majority IT professionals ( though the average IT professional is a notch better than your average Joe)

Interesting zen statement! I really think you're on to something.
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Re: Structural changes in biz making tech employment unlikely?
« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2018, 03:25:45 am »
No, it's not the economic system that is broken. It is people who are fundamentally broken including the majority IT professionals ( though the average IT professional is a notch better than your average Joe)

Interesting zen statement! I really think you're on to something.

I will soon be posting a ranty post on this, I'm having a writer's block. Essentially I'm hoping to catch the attention of individuals who are not 'broken'.

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Re: Structural changes in biz making tech employment unlikely?
« Reply #8 on: November 25, 2018, 04:39:53 pm »
Wow, this thread is still running from the beginning of this year. Everyone has good idea. One thing that I am always frustrated about this topic is that why do American citizens have to compete with third-world workers in their own country? Our economic system is broken. The CEOs and upper management are sitting there like pigs taking in all the food and left us with crumbs! We are fighting for crumbs. Many years ago, a friend of my mom who has a son that works on Wall Street as an investment banker/trader collected 90K Xmas bonus. At that time I believe I were earning 80ish K on my job. Now I am unemployed but I refuse to participate in this job scheme by being a day-trader.

Agreed. They are fucking traitors, end of story. I have been frustrated by this for years and our fucking govmt does nothing. NOTHING about it. Why? Because they are on the payroll of big business. They are traitors as well.

The media is in their pocket as well. Every time some American gets uppity about IT they shovel articles about the poor H1Bs. FUCK YOU is what I say.

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Re: Structural changes in biz making tech employment unlikely?
« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2018, 06:17:49 pm »
One thing that I am always frustrated about this topic is that why do American citizens have to compete with third-world workers in their own country? Our economic system is broken.
No, it's not the economic system that is broken. It is people who are fundamentally broken including the majority IT professionals ( though the average IT professional is a notch better than your average Joe)

I agree, good point.


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