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Author Topic: Unpleasant experience buying a 2005 BMW 325i  (Read 757 times)

Dennis Nedry

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Re: What makes the repairs so expensive? Warranty work aside
« Reply #15 on: September 02, 2007, 07:18:07 am »
Expensive Repairs, from my observation over the years are as follows:

1. First and formost, the BMW brand has positioned itself as a premium brand, and they are charging extremely high margins for everything, it's part of the business plan.  The mechanics wear clean uniforms, and the shop floors are spotless (this is at BMW dealers).  And they are trained to find every leak and worn belt and hose, every potential problem (and each one is an additional 500-1000 bucks).  So when you bring it in for an oil change, fully expect the phone call where they tell you the "throttle upside down knutsen valve" is worn and it's 500 dollars to replace, continue to drive this at your own risk.  At that point you have to use your own risk assessment, and discern between naked upselling by the dealer and real mechanical risk.

2. The parts are rarer since there are less of them in the market

3. The parts are very precision, and there is a lot of training involved to fix them properly.  I always use the BMW dealerships for repairs, and am very happy with the service.  Plus they have a lot of incentive to do it right.

I think there is a miconception here about the quality.  The repairs I'm talking about are on a car 5-10 years old.  Before that the only repairs you will need are normal stuff if you are a high milage driver, like Brakes, Belts, hoses.  Unlike a Chevy, Chrysler, Fore, a BMW is still rock solid after 10 years.  The American cars tend to be useless piles of junk after 10 years, unless the owner was very diligent.  My 10 year old Camry certainly fits the description of a pile of junk.

mixxalot

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Price of the euro and dollar decline
« Reply #16 on: September 02, 2007, 07:54:01 am »
With anything European I believe the cost is more due to value of the dollar against the Euro. Sorry to hear about your experience with the BMW. I hope you find a good one.

I bought mine from a Lexus dealer with a 2 year warranty for 13k. So far has been ok and just standard hoses, belts and oil changes for the most part. The 328i was a bulletproof car. My mechanic tells me build quality is not as good on newer BMWs.

For me, I have had my car almost 4 years and will keep it until the new 1 series gets into town next year. Then can buy a brand new one for under 30k with the free maintenance.

Porsches and Mercedes have a lot more problems than BMW.

codger

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Re: What makes the repairs so expensive? Warranty work aside
« Reply #17 on: September 02, 2007, 11:48:29 am »
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The American cars tend to be useless piles of junk after 10 years, unless the owner was very diligent. My 10 year old Camry certainly fits the description of a pile of junk.


Shhhh! Don't let my 1991 Chevy Lumina (156,000 mi) hear you. It's clean, dependable and requires little maintenance.  Of course it doesn't have the snob appeal of a BMW, but I can have the entire cooling system (radiator, water pump, heater core, thermostat, hoses and coolant) replaced by a competent (non-dealer, dirty floors) mechanic for $550. This is about one monthly car payment on a Beemer. I know this because a neighbor of mine just had the work done. The skill of a mechanic, or the quality of his work has nothing to do with uniforms and spotless repair facilities.

I've had over thirty years of hands on auto repair and restoration experience. I am able to evaluate mechanical work with a great deal of personal insight. - Hence my skeptcism concerning most dealer shops. There's a lot more selling going on there than quality repair work. Most people (car owners) are either clueless about mechanical stuff, or worse yet, think that they know far more than they actually do. Not very different than non-technical people sharpshooting IT people.

Most people are chumps when it comes to evaluating anything automotive.



I D Shukhov

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Re: What makes the repairs so expensive? Warranty work aside
« Reply #18 on: September 02, 2007, 03:42:17 pm »
The BMW 325i was a lot of fun to drive.  It handled great and had a lot of power.  

It's a different class of car, but the Corvette would be a lot of fun.  I think that's kind of a lifestyle car and I have enough on my plate at the moment than to become an enthusiast.

We're going to look at a Saturn Aura tomorrow.  My current prioritized criteria are:

1) Fun
2) Reliability
3) Cost

I'll have to make some compromises somewhere.



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mixxalot

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2007 Corvette deals
« Reply #19 on: September 02, 2007, 04:09:30 pm »
I like the new Corvette.

Hands down best sports car for the money. The dealers are giving major discounts on the new 2007 Corvettes for like 5-10k off sticker so you would get a nice supercar for less than 40k. While the Vette does not have cachet like German cars, it is a fun rocket that can be driven daily and has a good trunk for a sports car. The new ones have 400+ HP which can even give Porsches and Ferraris a run for the money at much less dollar. And insurance is not bad either on a Vette.

I may get either the new Vette or 1-series vehicle (BMW) as my next car. While I'd prefer a new Porsche 911 Carrera S or GT3, the price difference is not worth it and the Porsche cayman is not that great of a sports car compared to the Vette or BMW for the money.

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Re: 2007 Corvette deals
« Reply #20 on: September 02, 2007, 04:57:10 pm »
This is making me think  I should go test drive one.  

I wonder what it would feel like to do 0-60 in less that 5 seconds.  :hat

The MSRP for the base 2008 model is 46K, so 5-10K off would easily put it in 325i range.  The Motortrend review raves about it.  The reliability ratings always seem to suck on Vettes though.



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codger

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Re: 2007 Corvette deals
« Reply #21 on: September 03, 2007, 02:18:37 am »
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The new ones have 400+ HP which can even give Porsches and Ferraris a run for the money at much less dollar.


Yeah, until they make the first turn. Then the 'vette is in third place.

ITWhore

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VW expensive too!
« Reply #22 on: September 03, 2007, 07:17:54 pm »
VW/Audi seems to be developing a culture of being high quality/expense (but not outrageous like BMW.)  I'm waiting for the day when the mechanics start wearing the German rocket scientist lab coats ...

Of course, my '03 VW Jetta Wagon is the best car I've ever owned, so I don't think I will mind the expense when it inevitably comes.

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Test drove the Saturn Sky on Monday
« Reply #23 on: September 04, 2007, 05:01:38 pm »
The "Red Line" version has 260 hp and does 0-60 in 5.5 secs.  We drove the standard version and it was fast enough.

I haven't driven a manual transmission car in about 20 years and, boy, did I enjoy myself!  With the top down and on some hilly back roads it was like riding a roller coaster.

The price we were quoted for a 2008 Red Line was 30K.  The only option besides the turbocharged engine was an upgraded stereo system.

Saturn is selling against the Mazda Miata, I think, but I have to believe this is a whole lot more car.  The width is only 1" narrower than a Corvette (although the wheelbase is 11" narrower for some reason.)

Unfortunately, the "P" word (practicality) is creeping into my wife's and my discussions.   It has zero cargo space for one thing, and we really do need a sedan.

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Good deals...
« Reply #24 on: September 04, 2007, 05:56:42 pm »
I have a checklist I developed over the years that I take with me when buying used cars.

I do some shade tree auto repair work (belts,  brakes, oil change - simple stuff) but even then like to have someone look at the vehicle. I know someone who is very good at detecting hidden body work. Supposedly there is this tool that will analyze the paint and will tell you if it's original or not.

On the subject of salvage vehicles, I got a good deal on one. A 6 year old Nissan with 62K miles for 6 grand. The bumper and the hood were replaced due to a low speed collision. The frame wasn't damaged.  I wouldn't say they fixed it perfectly but   mechanically it was in excellent condition. I drove it for a year and got almost all funds out of it. They do have issues if the air bags got deployed you may not be able to pass the inspection without much work.
 
BMW's are the ultimate driving machines. Had a 325i 5 speed that I got for a grand with 200K miles on it, that old thing was an absolute money pit but never had a vehicle that handled as well. Now  I wouldn't consider anything older than 5 years with bimmers, and a very complete repair history. When they age, they are less reliable than the asian or even domestic vehicles and parts are priced insane even considering DIY repairs.

Fleabay has lots of good deals on everything automotive - definitely a buyer's market.


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mixxalot

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2008 BMW 328i sedan or Audi A4 sedan 2.0T
« Reply #25 on: September 06, 2007, 07:54:51 pm »
In that case, I like the new 2008 Audi A4 with 2.0T in manual transmission.

A fun sports sedan. The new BMW 328i sedan is also quite good as is the new 2008 Mercedes C300 sport sedan.

mixxalot

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New 2008 Corvette a great sports car
« Reply #26 on: September 06, 2007, 07:57:37 pm »
I test drove this past week. What a fun rocket! Has a lot of trunk space for a sports car as well. I had no problem shifting. Very smooth the clutch was tricky. Much improved over the 2004 Corvette.

I still prefer Porsche and BMW though over Corvette. Until the make a mid-engine one.